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		<title>By: The Heart of Prayer &#171; A Living Alternative Our Missional Pilgrimage</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Heart of Prayer &#171; A Living Alternative Our Missional Pilgrimage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jamie Arpin-Ricci</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie Arpin-Ricci</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great point, T.  I think this is why Dorothy Day is known for having said:

&quot;Don&#039;t call me a saint.  I don&#039;t want to be dismissed that easily.&quot;

Thanks for weighing in.

Peace,
Jamie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great point, T.  I think this is why Dorothy Day is known for having said:</p>
<p>&#8220;Don&#8217;t call me a saint.  I don&#8217;t want to be dismissed that easily.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thanks for weighing in.</p>
<p>Peace,<br />
Jamie</p>
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		<title>By: T</title>
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		<dc:creator>T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jamie,

I think, ironically, we do actually &#039;need&#039; people like Francis. Because Jesus was the son of God, we create distance between ourselves and his lifestyle and his express teachings as unachievable for mere mortals.  Our worship becomes a reason to excuse ourselves from following really closely.  Then someone like Francis (or Mother Teresa, to bring it closer) comes along and re-embodies Jesus all over again (actually doing things we said just couldn&#039;t be done), which makes Jesus and his justice more disturbingly close again.  We actually do need such persons to remind us that his justice is within reach, to testify that Jesus&#039; more radical calls can be followed--even today, even by normal humans.  

Of course, we create the same distance between ourselves and these &#039;saints&#039; soon enough, trying to imagine that the Age to come and its idea of righteousness are far away, unreachable, contrary to the central message of Jesus himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jamie,</p>
<p>I think, ironically, we do actually &#8216;need&#8217; people like Francis. Because Jesus was the son of God, we create distance between ourselves and his lifestyle and his express teachings as unachievable for mere mortals.  Our worship becomes a reason to excuse ourselves from following really closely.  Then someone like Francis (or Mother Teresa, to bring it closer) comes along and re-embodies Jesus all over again (actually doing things we said just couldn&#8217;t be done), which makes Jesus and his justice more disturbingly close again.  We actually do need such persons to remind us that his justice is within reach, to testify that Jesus&#8217; more radical calls can be followed&#8211;even today, even by normal humans.  </p>
<p>Of course, we create the same distance between ourselves and these &#8217;saints&#8217; soon enough, trying to imagine that the Age to come and its idea of righteousness are far away, unreachable, contrary to the central message of Jesus himself.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jamie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Preach it, Chris!  Thanks.

Peace,
Jamie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Preach it, Chris!  Thanks.</p>
<p>Peace,<br />
Jamie</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1 Cor 1:11 &amp; 12 &quot;My brothers, some from Chloe&#039;s household have informed me that there are quarrels among you. What I mean is this: One of you says, &quot;I follow Paul&quot;; another, &quot;I follow Apollos&quot;; another, &quot;I follow Cephas&quot;; still another, &quot;I follow Christ.&quot; 

The &quot;quarrels&quot; that Paul talked about included the people saying &quot;I follow Christ&quot; to which Paul replied, &quot;is Christ divided?&quot;  We need to stop cultural reactions and have intimate relationships of trust.  Jamie, I know you and I know you&#039;re not crazy off the Francis deep end...I know you are following Jesus...I know that because I know you.

Some Muslims have the same critique of all Christianity (this I&#039;ve heard with my own ears) - that Christians actually put more stock in Paul that in the words of Jesus.  We cannot get so locked in on the legalities (which is man&#039;s tendency) that we forget that Christ told us we are his friends if we obey his commands.  And in the next breath he says &quot;and this is my commandment that you...&quot; make sure all the words are right?  Have your theological ducks in a row?  Have the proper systematic thought?  Nope, none of that...Love one another.

And I&#039;m not talking about the crazy &quot;all that matters is love&quot; thing, like weird.  I&#039;m talking like the normal, sane, secure in Jesus &quot;all that matters is love&quot; thing.  Study is important, manifestos and declarations are fine (a little dangerous though...I don&#039;t trust &#039;em) but love is the thing...the container in which it all must rest.  If &quot;the right way of looking at things&quot; is the chunks of cereal and Jesus is the bowl then love is the cool, cold milk...ahh yeah.

I have never met Francis personally but I love and trust him as a brother in Christ as he has been instrumental in helping me understand Jesus.  I love Paul too.  They aren&#039;t just ideas, they are people, brothers...big brothers that we can look up to and try to emulate.

1 Corinthians 11:1  &quot;Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.&quot; - St. Paul

P.S. I fixed my link.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1 Cor 1:11 &amp; 12 &#8220;My brothers, some from Chloe&#8217;s household have informed me that there are quarrels among you. What I mean is this: One of you says, &#8220;I follow Paul&#8221;; another, &#8220;I follow Apollos&#8221;; another, &#8220;I follow Cephas&#8221;; still another, &#8220;I follow Christ.&#8221; </p>
<p>The &#8220;quarrels&#8221; that Paul talked about included the people saying &#8220;I follow Christ&#8221; to which Paul replied, &#8220;is Christ divided?&#8221;  We need to stop cultural reactions and have intimate relationships of trust.  Jamie, I know you and I know you&#8217;re not crazy off the Francis deep end&#8230;I know you are following Jesus&#8230;I know that because I know you.</p>
<p>Some Muslims have the same critique of all Christianity (this I&#8217;ve heard with my own ears) &#8211; that Christians actually put more stock in Paul that in the words of Jesus.  We cannot get so locked in on the legalities (which is man&#8217;s tendency) that we forget that Christ told us we are his friends if we obey his commands.  And in the next breath he says &#8220;and this is my commandment that you&#8230;&#8221; make sure all the words are right?  Have your theological ducks in a row?  Have the proper systematic thought?  Nope, none of that&#8230;Love one another.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;m not talking about the crazy &#8220;all that matters is love&#8221; thing, like weird.  I&#8217;m talking like the normal, sane, secure in Jesus &#8220;all that matters is love&#8221; thing.  Study is important, manifestos and declarations are fine (a little dangerous though&#8230;I don&#8217;t trust &#8216;em) but love is the thing&#8230;the container in which it all must rest.  If &#8220;the right way of looking at things&#8221; is the chunks of cereal and Jesus is the bowl then love is the cool, cold milk&#8230;ahh yeah.</p>
<p>I have never met Francis personally but I love and trust him as a brother in Christ as he has been instrumental in helping me understand Jesus.  I love Paul too.  They aren&#8217;t just ideas, they are people, brothers&#8230;big brothers that we can look up to and try to emulate.</p>
<p>1 Corinthians 11:1  &#8220;Follow my example, as I follow the example of Christ.&#8221; &#8211; St. Paul</p>
<p>P.S. I fixed my link.</p>
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